Cloned accounts folding competitively

[spmm]

Hi Anthion,
I think you are misunderstanding the issue I have.
When I reset the puzzle, (having saved my highest scoring solution), I want to start again from the starting pose and original starting high score. I do NOT want to go back to a branch point. If I did I would not be resetting the puzzle, I would be going back to a branch I had saved. If I reopen a saved branch point, my high score does not revert to the score I had at that point, my highest score is still in place.

So the problem (for me) of the highest score and pose being retained is present either when reopening a branch save or when resetting a puzzle.

I want to keep the highest score I have achieved in the puzzle and I expect to do that by saving it before opening a branch save or resetting the puzzle. It is great that the very highest scores and associated poses are also auto-saved so they can always be retrieved.

Even if I manually save a puzzle immediately I open it; the A key will revert to the best highest score and pose on that machine. I looked at the auto-saves available on 405 (which is a bad example) and they only go back to yesterday.

Different people play in different ways.
I play very fast, at the start of and at some points during, a puzzle trying out lots of things and then frequently reverting to my highest score and often repeating several moves in slightly different ways as I see their effect take shape, or not. Even if I saved every single one of those attempts I would still have the problem.

Given the range of save and auto-save options available I find it odd that the scores and pose of a saved puzzle do not reset to match the high score achieved when it was saved.

When I save a document I expect it to be saved exactly as it was at that point, not to have later changes incorporated into it.
Basically the point of saving and version control really.

[Seagat2011]

spmm, I think I can be of help: There are restore Absolute best (press A key), restore Best score that was saved in saveslot 1 (CTRL + 1), restore best score saved in saveslot 2 (CTRL + 2), restore best score saved in saveslot 3 (CTRL + 3)

..but you also have restore Recent Best (CTRL + N)

And you can Set Recent best, at any time in the game, with CTRL + SHIFT + N. So long as you never hit 'A', your score will always update locally.

Note: Quicksave slots (1-3) can also be programmed by replacing CTRL with CTRL + SHIFT ( e,g, CTRL + SHIFT + 1)

..I only learned about these by reading feedbacks from Crashguard303, but to learn more about these shortcuts, go into "menu » help", in your client. All shortcut / key functions will be explained for you.

[Seagat2011]

Correction: to learn more about these shortcuts, go into "Actions » Help", in your client. All shortcut / key functions will be explained for you

[Rav3n_pl]

Me about using multiple clients and missing points:
we have:

• running more than 1 client on same account and same puzzle
• we running different (or same) scripts and/or making different things on clients at same time
• one of client found hot spot and get high score ever -> score sent to site, abs best save
• second client (unaware of jump on first one) found another spot and get best score but slightly lover form first one -> score not updated on site (lover than b4) BUT abs best saved!

We now kill all clients, and restored abs best is NOT as high as best score from site.

Can dev team confirm my patch?

[anthion]

SPMM

Yes, I don't understand your issue as you describe it. Furthermore I don't understand how it would compel someone to create another account as a work-around.

You say this, and I can only presume that this is the issue you claim to have, "When I reset the puzzle, (having saved my highest scoring solution), I want to start again from the starting pose and original starting high score. "

I don't see an issue here except that I have no idea what you mean by "original starting high score". Resetting the puzzle resets the current model to the starting conformation. The conformation determines the score.
What behavior are you expecting here and what doe you mean by "original starting high score"?

You go on to say this,"If I reopen a saved branch point, my high score does not revert to the score I had at that point, my highest score is still in place."

Of course your highest score is still in place. Why would you expect your high score to change just because you loaded another solution? Your highest credited score is your highest credited score. It makes no sense for that to change to a lower credited score. The 'highest credited score' is like the high water mark. It's just a record of what your highest score has been. It really has nothing to do with what you are currently working on.

You then say, "So the problem (for me) of the highest score and pose being retained is present either when reopening a branch save or when resetting a puzzle."

This sentence is just plain hard to read.
I simply can not understand why you think this is a problem or why you think creating a new account would solve this problem (that isn't there). I can't understand why would would expect your highest credited score to go away when you reset or load a different solution.

You go on to say, "Even if I manually save a puzzle immediately I open it; the A key will revert to the best highest score and pose on that machine."

The A key (also Ctl-B) will restore to your "Very Best Solution You Folded". What behavior are you expecting when you press the A key? And why would creating another account make the A key behave differently?

Then you say some things about how you play and also this, "Even if I saved every single one of those attempts I would still have the problem."
And this, "Given the range of save and auto-save options available I find it odd that the scores and pose of a saved puzzle do not reset to match the high score achieved when it was saved."

I still don't see a problem. When you save a solution you are simply saving the current conformation of the model. There is only one "High Score". Other scores that correspond to other conformations are saved with the conformation. There is not a problem that I can see.

Next and finally you say this, "When I save a document I expect it to be saved exactly as it was at that point, not to have later changes incorporated into it."

I have to presume that you are implying that your saved solutions have later changes incorporated into them. Where do you get this idea? How could this property even been implemented? You saved solutions are a save of the current conformation. There is no possible way that future changes could be incorporated into the file.

I'll go ahead and play devil's advocate here for a moment. Let's say these bizarre behaviors are taking place. Let's pretend that future moves done on a solution are somehow saved with the solution in the present. Let's say that you can't load the "original starting high score" when you reset a puzzle. How would creating another account help with that? Won't the new account also have the same problems that you seem to experience? How does the other account help you get around the problems you seem to have in the first account? You can't share solo solutions from one account to the other.

The descriptions of your perceived difficulties really don't seem to lead to a conclusion that supports having multiple accounts that compete in the puzzles.
I don't see a logical connection from a confused concept of what "high score" means and the need to run multiple accounts that compete.

[B_2]

Each attempt needs it's own 'A' value to do what he wants.

If account 1 has 'A' = 6000 and he starts over from a total reset to try something different, if he presses 'A' he will get 6000. He needs a new 'A' that is relative to the new attempt at the puzzle, unrelated to the original attempt. This requires a separate account to have a separate 'A' score.

[infjamc]

Re: B_2

If the issue that spmm has is what you've described, then there's an easy solution:

1. Before conducting the reset, first save a copy of solution "A" with the score of 6000.
2. Reset the puzzle.
3. Go to "Manage Solutions," check "Show auto and quick saves," and delete the solution named "Autsaved Best Soloist solution"
4. Before doing anything else, close and restart foldit. If everything goes correctly, the new autosave will be the starting configuration.

[B_2]

Arrgh. That's a lot of work to accomplish that, and still doesn't let another Fold.it session continue work on the original attempt/solution.

[anthion]

One solution is to stop relying so heavily on the 'A' key.
The 'A' Key is just a shortcut for loading your credited best solution.
It's the same as going to the Open/Share Solutions menu and selecting that solution manually. The 'A' Key works perfectly, it does exactly what it is intended to do. If you stop mashing it down it will stop loading that solution.

Why is this workflow so hard?:

You work a solution up to a particular score.
You have the urge to explore a different conformation.
Save your current solution.
Work your exploration.
Don't like it? Don't save it.
Wanna go back to your other solution? Load that thing up and get busy.
You do like it? Then save it.
Wanna start over from the beginning? Hit Reset.

The 'A' Key has a specific function. It loads your credited best solution.
Why do some people think this gets in the way of anything?

This is really pretty simple.

What is it about having a high score recorded that keeps you from working on a puzzle? How does setting up a new account help?

Do you go change your identity after you bowl a 290 at the neighborhood lanes because you want to bowl a 300? Did you need a new passport after your professor graded one of your tests with a B+?
Are there people re-installing Microsoft Office every time they finish typing a letter that might have a typo in it?

Nobody yet has been able to explain the logical connection between being confused about what the 'A' key is intended to do and creating new accounts to compete in the puzzles.

[Deleted user]

To be able to work on two or more different solutions simultaneously. Why is that so hard to understand?

Any one of them could "pop" and become a winner. Why have to limit yourself to only working on one at a time?