A Request to Roll Back the NC Client

Started by auntdeen

smilingone Lv 1

I'm hoping we don't get any new puzzles until the current ones are over so that we can experiment a bit more with what does or doesn't work.

bkoep Staff Lv 1

Hello all, sorry you haven't heard from any of the Foldit team on this thread, yet.

We have heard you, loud and clear (and I do mean that—you have all been very constructive and descriptive in your feedback, and we thank you for it). There has been a lot of discussion on our end about the feasibility and benefits of a roll-back to "old chapter" Foldit. For the time being, we are focusing on fixing the most serious bugs you have brought to our attention; however, we have not dismissed a roll-back as "out of the question" in the case that things fail to improve. A special thanks to NickyCGS, who has been working like a dog to help us pin down the real errors behind some of these more complex bugs.

Also, I want to stress that your feedback is invaluable to Foldit. We know we're not very good about getting back to you guys, and we'll have to make even more of an effort on that front now that katfish is gone. But even if nobody has posted a response to your feedback thread, rest assured that we read every one of them, and will try to address every issue we can!

Susume Lv 1

I use both hand rebuild and rebuild scripts with sheets and helices in early game to help keep the overall shape while improving the backbone; I definitely would not want rebuild to ignore the residue types and only form perfect sheets and helices.

bob1928 Lv 1

We live in interesting times.

It would seem easy enough to “re-activate” old chapter with a separate assortment of puzzles (much as new chapter was in the two week trial). This might help retain interest and the player population. This may be beneficial in the future and perhaps should happen in parallel with fixing New Chapter.

The new scoring is a refinement in the science and a step forward. Fixing the New Chapter problems is clearly a top priority.

However, with its present problems, this player (and others it seems) thinks New Chapter will under-perform Old Chapter. Speed can often outperform accuracy in numerical analysis.

The fool in the corner wants to know; “If the upcoming CASP is important, why not attack it with both tools?” Did you throw out all your inch size wrenches when “the world switched to metric”?

beta_helix Staff Lv 1

It is a big regret that there was no way to have parallel versions of Foldit running at the same time (with some "old chapter" puzzles running at the same time as "new chapter" puzzles).

The way that Rosetta is coded unfortunately does not allow this, requiring New Chapter to be pushed to main directly because it is not compatible with the "old chapter" code.

It would have been ideal to overlap both versions of the game and phase things over time.
We would initially introduce new puzzles that use new chapter, but keep puzzles that work with old chapter.
Eventually (as the bugs/issues got resolved) we would have fewer old chapter puzzles, and more for new chapter.

That would have been the proper and better way to do it, but sadly the change in the code is so drastic that this was not a possibility.

We really apologize for all of this, and we want to thank each and every one of you for your patience on this one.

We know that this is asking more from you than we ever have, and we thank you so much for all the useful feedbacks you have reported.

Thank you again for staying with us during this difficult transition, we can't thank you all enough!

bob1928 Lv 1

"there was no way to have parallel versions of Foldit running at the same time"

… so the two weeks that the New Chapter and Old Chapter DID run in parallel could not possibly have happened. Very Very interesting times.

frood66 Lv 1

I believe spider toxin was run in both 'old' and newchapter. No doubt the the original puzzle had to be edited in some way to make it compatible with newchapter. So it seems to me that, whilst the puzzle set was different in totality, this was as a result of the setters' choice.

Assuming other puzzles can be edited to suit either platform, I see no reason why old and newchapter cannot run alongside each other - with more or less the same puzzle set.